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How's my driving?

This is a post where you can see how you're doing in the eyes of your fellow roleplayers. This can be how well you're playing your character, as well as playing in general.

1. You can post your character, their journal, and their canon in any way that suits you.

2. Be open minded, no one is above learning to be better, not even the mods.

3. Give some constructive criticism! Do it in journal or anon if you feel more comfortable. Absolutely positively no bashing and being unhelpful. On the other hand, don't take crit as a clue to OMG LEAVE AND NEVAR COME BACK or reason it all away as character development without listening to it. Improving is a good thing!

4. It's up to you to let people know what you think. This is your chance to tell people what you think of how they're playing, Even if you don't know the series, you can tell a player how you view the character based on how you've played them and they can compare it to canon. This can be in the form of, "Post moaaaar~" or "We never finish plots! :<" or even "You do a good job at following HP canon!"

5. This is NOT MANDATORY. It is however, HIGHLY encouraged for everyone to participate in. Sometimes it's helpful to get input from people who have seen you in action, so try not to be afraid of it. You might hear good things as well!

6. You guys are full of love, feel free to say that you like someone's character. Just do it constructively, give reasons why you like the character, no just "I love your Muse and you're the best one ever!" Everyone has room for improvement.

7. Please don't spam. We love you, but there are plenty of other places for that!

8. There is a mod hmd for crit regarding us specifically and a general game hmd for anything from "Too many of you are whores and you don't use enough British slang" to "We want more crack events '^'". So this is for general stuff you'd like to see in the game from fellow players (without pointing fingers) as well as how you'd like to see the game improve how its run.

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I want to see if anyone else feels this way. If it's just me, don't worry about it.

I hate to say this, because I know plenty of people enjoy it, but when things get really sexual and a student is involved, it kind of makes me uncomfortable. I mean, I'm fine with implications and discussion, but some things go too far. It's hard because it's really, painfully IC for some folks, so I don't know what to suggest... I guess, again, I'm just seeing what other people think.

Doesn't bother me at all with teachers, if anyone was wondering.

You have a good point there.

I'm also fine with implications and definitely fine with discussion -if you haven't already figured that out- but if things are getting to be more detailed, it might be best to play it out in a musebox or something like that.

I mean, I assume students aren't going to get in trouble for consensual sex, since prefects having access to condoms to give to students was a thing in the past? It's just... Yeah, a musebox might be a better place, especially if the mods are willing to let some things be game canon through implication/talk? If that makes sense?

Normally it doesn't bother me that much, because hey, teenage hormones. But I do feel like it's been going a bit too far lately. I don't really know how to describe what I mean exactly, but... yeah.

It IS hard to describe; I don't feel like it's been one specific thing? It's just... Guh I'm not sure.

I know I probably seem hypocritical after Rapunzel discussed masturbation with Amelia, but again, I do feel like discussion is different?

I agree with most of this, but I'm wondering exactly what you mean? Do you mean any student who is too young or specifically smut things or what?

The trouble is I'm sure how to pin it? Like, I don't... Know. I'm so sorry, but I'll try to figure it out and get back to you, yeah?

+1 ing this. It also makes me pretty uncomfortable when students are discussing sex and sexual things so openly. In moderation, this is fine! Students are students and this is a school setting where everyone is in some various awkward stage of puberty. And it's also fine in private discussions. But a lot of the concerns, say, Van voiced on the masturbation discussion were also my own: namely, there are students here who are very young and whether it's scientific discussion or not, it's really damn creepy to have that sort of discussion out in the open and to pressure young students to participate even after they say they're uncomfortable. Even if it's IC, it's skeevy.

I can see the open discussions getting awkward for people, to be fair! It's hard when it's in IC but still skeevy...

I recognize that I... might be part of the issue here. Just maybe. And I will keep your concern in mind.

And honestly, if I go to far, feel free to send me a message or let me know on plurk or something because I really don't want to make anyone uncomfortable OOC... but at the same time, I'm playing a character who doesn't have a very good sense of boundaries. Or appropriate subject matter.

I definitely see where you're coming from here. I feel like people can have discussion, but it needs to be filtered away from the younger years (and probably teachers) and that's the biggest thing there.

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I think it depends based on the age of the student. I'd feel a bit more awkward to see something sexual going on with someone who is for example, a first year. However I think when a student is around a sixth year it isn't as concerning. I think the age of consent in England is around 16?

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I think one of the issues I see with this is, frankly, real teenagers are often sexual creatures. Not that they're all HAVING sex all the time, but there is a lot of talking about it, I remember from my own youth, and even moreso what I've seen nowadays. I understand that it can make people uncomfortable, and maybe we should have some sort of tag/warning system so people can avoid it if it bugs them, but it seems pretty unrealistic to say it shouldn't be played. The truth is, there are plenty of 15 year olds who will talk about sex with 12 year olds. It may not be in depth, and they may not be trying to HAVE sex with the 12 year old, but conversations do happen. It seems like it would be better to leave it up to the individual characters/players if they want to participate or not, and then institute some kind of tag or warning thing, so other players can choose to leave it alone.

Admittedly, maybe I'm a part of the problem. I obviously put up a whole post about masturbation. XD But at the same time, A LOT of people chose to participate, and I think in that case, it was pretty clear what it was about, that wasn't sneakily sprung on anyone. On the other hand, I would be totally happy to tag a post like that, put it behind a cut, whatever, so that people it does make uncomfortable don't have to deal with it. I'm not here to offend anyone or get in the way of their fun!

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Teachers and Prefects Remember points!!11!11 Students, respect yo teachers.

Yes, points are good and so is respect! Definitely agree with this.

I gotta say, I know that people are acting IC but I feel like the teacher disrespect is at an all time high. In general, I kind of feel like characters should realize when you're talking to teachers? I mean you can still curse up a storm at them behind filters, but when one is talking to you, unless your student/teacher relationship is close and they know you pretty well, it kind of doesn't make sense to me.

Right now, I notice a lot of students going fuck the rules, I do what I want, but I feel like there need to be stronger IC consequences. And that goes out to the teachers too! Don't be afraid to be a teacher and lay down the hand of the law if you think things are getting out of hand. That's what you're here for! And take away more than points if you need to. Make sure to enforce awful detentions for really bad behavior!

Edited 2012-09-10 17:13 (UTC)

I definitely agree, now that this has been brought up. I mean, for some it's IC, as you said, so I think the key -- also like you said! |D -- is consequences; not that it's the teachers faults in the first place. But yes, I think IC consequences can help because I think a lot of characters would ICly be pushed to behave when faced with really awful detentions.

But people can also be more aware of when their student characters are talking to a teacher! I'm not trying to dismiss that at all.

Yes, this.

One thing I think might help keep in mind is that so many infractions takes away some of the punch of infractions in general? Like, if it's IC for a character to break the rules, I want there to be some feeling of danger, like, y'know, they're actually breaking rules. Otherwise there's no reason for rulebreaking characters to break them at all, there's no thrill.

Same goes for teacher disrespect. In some instances it might be... I don't know, almost expected that there's going to be some disrespect? Like TZ and Constance's log. TZ cusses at her, but that's because foul mouthed character plus the stressor of the hex-thing-whatever. Like, normally she'd be able to control herself better.

Yeah, I defs have some feels for this one. Honestly, teachers are people too! They deserve to be respected ~~and feared~~ and it is VERY tiresome to try to make my characters bend over backwards so that your character can be the rebellious little free spirit that they are.

Roleplay is a two way street, I know that as a teacher I've got to be strict, but people need to consider reeling their own characters in a little as well. It would be nice to deal with a situation without it getting out of hand for my character and making him look like the bad guy.

Personally I'm working on Karkat's lack of respect for authority figures and have toned down a lot of his cursing, but I do see where you're coming from. I know a lot of people are worried about their teachers sounding too harsh, but you need to remember they're teachers. They're there to enforce things and be hard on students, but also reach out to them. We're working with kids who are at the cusp of maturity and don't really know any better, and while it might be frustrating when the conversation seems to reach a dead end, your teacher character will probably affect the student character's thinking.

I think IC consequences should be enforced for a lot of things now that they're back in school. It's all well and fine to let the student character think that they've gotten away with it over summer but now that they're in school, house point taking and detention should be a thing.

I don't know if it's just me but I feel that many students don't respect their teachers enough. I know that it's part of the students' attitude to be upfront sarcastic and at times rude to others, but I feel that as they are in a school they are students and some respect is due whether the character likes it or not. It's just part and parcel of being a student.

I have two suggestions, one for teachers punishing characters and one for threads people might feel potentially uncomfortable with.

1) When muns who are teachers have to give out punishments to characters from series they don't know too well, the student mun should tell the teacher mun what sorts of things DO matter to them and what would set them into place. Teacher muns aren't always super versed in the students series so it can be hard to tell if they're punishment is effective or not.

2) If you wanted to do something in the middle of threads that could potentially make another reader uncomfortable (things getting steamy, etc.) I suppose you could put it in the subject line once things start going that direction? That way people who don't like to look at those things can stop reading right then and there.

Something I've noticed is that a majority of characters are purebloods, but not a whole lot of people seem to take into account what that would mean for their characters' mindset. For example, even if they aren't straight-up muggle-haters, most purebloods would have some degree of prejudice, even if it's "benevolent" prejudice. Same with regards to magical creatures like vampires and werewolves: I've seen a LOT of students defending the idea of having vampires and werewolves in the school, and that just isn't realistic. There's a lot of ignorance surrounding them, and ignorance leads to a lot of fear (plus, they ARE dangerous in the first place!) Most students probably wouldn't be SO comfortable with it so easy and so quickly.

I'd really appreciate people taking a harder look at how their character's blood status and upbringing would affect their outlook, because I'm not seeing that right now.

Irrelevant account, but! Kabby here!

I think it's hard in some cases. For example, for me, Rapunzel is so strongly characterized by not judging others after she's out into the world. She gets along with dangerous thugs and falls for a thief -- I do think she'd be freaked out by vampires and werewolves, but right now she's not aware of this stuff.

On the other hand, Merida totally would think muggles are weird. She's not very open-minded. I just haven't had a load of chance for it. HOWEVER, due to how I interpreted her backstory, she wouldn't stand for mistreatment of magical non-human beings.

Those are the situations I can safely talk about because they're my characters and they're really relevant, but you get the idea.

I'll be real with you; I get what you're asking. I REALLY do. I understand the frustration. But I don't think it's entirely a realistic thing to ask all the time, especially in regards to blood status, because most characters are colored as either the good sort who are open-minded, or the bad sort who hate everyone. I know there are more and more characters breaking that mold nowadays, but that's the basic way it is.

I'm not chastising you for saying this, at all. I think it's a fine thing to ask for and a good thing for people to keep in mind, I just don't think it's fair to really begrudge people for not always getting it, you know?